2nd Chance for the “Game of Second Chances”[Monday Meeting Notes]

Monday Meeting, News

Just today, Monday, we launched the Kickstarter campaign for Geist: The Sin-Eaters 2nd Edition!

We’re really thrilled to be able to do this, as Geist has been a bit of a sore spot for us, and some of our community too, for years. First edition was the last of the new World of Darkness game settings to be created by the original White Wolf, during my time as WW creative director. It never got the releases and support it could have, mostly by the sheer unfortunate timing of when it arrived.

So gather ’round, kiddos, and Unca Rich will tell you a Geist story.

Despite the stellar sales of Changeling: The Lost, and excellent sales of Hunter: The Vigil, not to mention the Scion and Exalted lines, we received just absolutely abysmal pre-orders from the distribution chain for GtSE 1st Edition. We even had word that one buyer for the book trade hated it and wouldn’t order any supplements. Which was a significant percentage of our usual pre-orders. The entire company was transitioning in the years after the CCP merger, and developer Ethan Skemp, a rock of reliability, attention to detail, and excellent game design, got sick midway through finishing the book.

Basically, Geist was in the wrong place at the wrong time.



Scion Hero art by Enzo Lopez



So the first edition was a fair bit jumbled, and hard to find. The only supplement we did was made a “blue book” nWoD release rather than a Geist one (we tricked you, book trade buyer!) and events rushed forward and everything game studio-wise was eased back as the WoD MMO became priority #1.

Geist first edition went up on DriveThru, and those who found it seemed to love the feeling of it, and have issues with the rules. As time went by, I read those messages, and felt pretty bad about the wounded thing we had published. It was, after all, a project I had greenlit, one of my babies, and while I was trying to keep an eye on things in WW‘s remaining game studio, I was also nostrils deep in the MMO.

When Eddy and I created the CCP Transmedia group after V20, one of the first projects on our very limited slate was a revised version of Geist first edition. Not a new edition, but a fixed-up one. I think it was Eddy who first called it Geist 1.1, and in April 2012 it was put up on DTRPG.

And a funny thing happened.

Sales happened.

Continuing healthy sales. Somebody was out there, and they sure seemed devoted to Geist. What a wonderful thing to discover about a game and setting that seemed like it was stillborn. But actually, once folks could get a cleaned up version, people kept buying it.

This realization coincided with the timing of creating the first Dark Eras book, and when backers were voting for which lines to appear in which Dark Eras there was pretty intense lobbying for Geist. Huh. More confirmation. If you haven’t yet, you can check out the Geist sections in both Dark Eras and the Dark Eras Companion volume here on DTRPG: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/4261/Onyx-Path-Publishing/subcategory/27199/Dark-Eras

The Dark Eras books were, in fact, the method we had to deliver new material, albeit historical, for all of the new World of Darkness lines as they transitioned into the Chronicles of Darkness and we moved forward with creating their second editions. (Which is a very, very, cleaned-up and simplified version of the tortuous transition, indeed. And a story for another times, kiddos.)



Wraith20 Handbook for the Recently Deceased art by Michael Gaydos



Which, basically, brings us to this Kickstarter for Geist 2nd Edition. Spearheaded by the titanically talented Travis Stout and a fantastic team of writers, nurtured by Rose Bailey and Dixie Cochran, with stunning art that you can see represented on the KS page…this is truly the second chance for the “game of second chances”!

Now, we still don’t know what size audience we’ll have for this KS, nor how fast we’ll fund, or how many Stretch Goals we’ll achieve. (I was thinking about stopping mid-sentence and going into the next line, like I was caught off-guard by some sort of alarm, but honestly, I stopped with “achieve” and went and checked the KS hoping I could say the next paragraph right now).

And BOOM! as I was writing this little tale, the Geist 2e Kickstarter has funded in 9.75 hours! Thanks to everyone who contributed so far, and to all of you who will help us bring forth a new 2nd Edition version of this awesome game by pledging this next month! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/geist-the-sin-eaters-2nd-edition




Scion Hero art by Marco Gonzales




Meanwhile last Friday, our Onyx Pathcast featured Dixie, Eddy, and Matthew telling tales of the freelancer lifestyle and just what that means. Lots of creativity, lots of communication with the clients depending on you, lots of making sure you have another gig in the works. You can hear them on your preferred podcast service, or right here on PodBean: https://onyxpathcast.podbean.com/

This coming Friday, the Terrible Trio of Terror will be interviewing the terrific Danielle Lauzon, who has been just tearing up the place developing Vampire: The Requiem 2nd, a lot of brilliant work on Storypath generally, and the Trinity Continuum specifically, and she’s been a mover and shaker on the new releases for 7th Sea for John Wick Presents.

Finally, in other news, it’s the 4th of July holiday Wednesday here in the US, so a lot of us will be out of the office that day, although we will have our usual Wednesday “on sale alert”. Some of our shipping services also have a day or two off, so that’s throwing some pre-Gen Con plans off a tad, but we’re adjusting. Make sure you watch the musical 1776 (an inspiration for “Hamilton“), and keep your pets inside away from the loud noises for the holiday.

And with that, I’ve leave you with these fours words of wisdom muttered by John Adams on his deathbed:

Many Worlds, One Path!





The Geist: The Sin-Eaters 2nd Edition Kickstarter began today (Monday) and already has funded as I write this. We want to be able to make a great looking hardcover edition, and get that into stores while giving backers first look at the complete text and other fun benefits: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/geist-the-sin-eaters-2nd-edition

Geist: The Sin-Eaters 2nd Edition includes all the rules you need to play as one of the Bound: Five Burdens reflecting the cause that pulled you back from the grave, five krewe Archetypes for building your own mystery religion, and the Haunts, Keys, and Ceremonies that provide the Bound with their macabre powers.

It also includes the Chronicle of the Dead, featuring the Sin-Eaters’ struggle against the all-consuming Underworld and a variety of terrifying threats. In addition, for the first time in the Chronicles of Darkness line, ghosts are presented as playable characters.

Chapters include:

  • The Quick and the Dead: the five Burdens (the reason a Sin-Eater comes back from the dead and what draws a particular geist to them) and krewe Archetypes (the common cause that draws a krewe of Sin-Eaters together).
  • The Road Back: On death and coming back, and why Bound make the Bargain, including possible consequences.
  • One Foot in the Grave: Character creation, with sections on both geist and krewe creation, Anchors, Merits, Synergy, Plasm, Abilities, Haunts, Keys, Ceremonies, and Mementos.
  • Old Laws: the core Chronicles of Darkness rules, with special rules for playing Sin-Eaters, as well as information on subsystems for krewes, ghosts, and the Underworld, including Avernian Gates.
  • Antagonists: villains for your Geist chronicle, including Reapers, Eaters of the Dead, necromancers, enemy Bound, and Kerberoi.
  • The Quiet Places: Setting information and story hooks for playing your Geist chronicle in specific times and places in history., from 16th-century Brazil to modern-day Edinburgh, Scotland to Mobile, Alabama in 1910, as well as information on Dominions.
  • Ghost Stories: Storyteller advice and information for running a Geist chronicle, including designing Remembrances, how to set theme and mood, story seeds, and various ways to play out the end of a game.
  • Appendix: The Absent: This Appendix details the Absent, playable ghosts, including Memories, new Merits, and a collection of possible ghost characters to expand on and use in your chronicle.
  • Appendix: Conditions and Tilts: Geist-specific Conditions and Tilts, including ephemeral Influence Conditions and Manifestation Conditions for ghosts, as well as Haunt Conditions and Tilts.




As we find ways to enable our community to more easily play our games, the Onyx Dice Rolling App is now live! Our dev team has been doing updates since we launched based on the excellent use-case comments by our community, and this thing is both rolling and rocking!

Here are the links for the Apple and Android versions:



Three different screenshots, above.




You can now read our fiction from the comfort and convenience of your Kindle (from Amazon) and Nook (from Barnes & Noble).

If you enjoy these or any other of our books, please help us by writing reviews on the site of the sales venue you bought it from. Reviews really, really help us with getting folks interested in our amazing fiction!

Our selection includes these fiction books:

  • Vampire: The Masquerade: The Endless Ages Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Werewolf: The Apocalypse: Rites of Renown: When Will You Rage II (Kindle, Nook)
  • Mage: The Ascension: Truth Beyond Paradox (Kindle, Nook)
  • Chronicles of Darkness: The God-Machine Chronicle Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Mummy: The Curse: Curse of the Blue Nile (Kindle, Nook)
  • Beast: The Primordial: The Primordial Feast Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Vampire: The Masquerade: Of Predators and Prey: The Hunters Hunted II Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Werewolf: The Apocalypse: The Poison Tree (Kindle, Nook)
  • Werewolf: The Apocalypse: Songs of the Sun and Moon: Tales of the Changing Breeds (Kindle, Nook)
  • Vampire: The Requiem: The Strix Chronicle Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Werewolf: The Forsaken: The Idigam Chronicle Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Mage: The Awakening: The Fallen World Chronicle Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Vampire: The Masquerade: The Beast Within Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Werewolf: The Apocalypse: W20 Cookbook (Kindle, Nook)
  • Exalted: Tales from the Age of Sorrows (Kindle, Nook)
  • Chronicles of Darkness: Tales of the Dark Eras (Kindle, Nook)
  • Promethean: The Created: The Firestorm Chronicle Anthology (Kindle, Nook)
  • Demon: The Descent: Demon: Interface (Kindle, Nook)
  • Scarred Lands: Death in the Walled Warren (KindleNook)
  • V20 Dark Ages: Cainite Conspiracies (Kindle, Nook)
  • Chronicles of Darkness: Strangeness in the Proportion (KindleNook)
  • Vampire: The Requiem: Silent Knife (Kindle, Nook)
  • Mummy: The Curse: Dawn of Heresies (KindleNook)





We’re working with Studio2 to get Pugmire out into stores, as well as to individuals through their online store. You can pick up the traditionally printed main book, the Screen, and the official Pugmire dice through our friends there!





Looking for our Deluxe or Prestige Edition books? Try this link! http://www.indiepressrevolution.com/xcart/Onyx-Path-Publishing/

Here’s the link to the press release we put out about how Onyx Path is now selling through Indie Press Revolution: http://theonyxpath.com/press-release-onyx-path-limited-editions-now-available-through-indie-press-revolution/

And you can now order Pugmire: the book, the screen, and the dice! http://www.indiepressrevolution.com/xcart/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=296





Following up last week’s Sword and Sorcery Day, with the first-ever Amazon and Nook store releases of the epubs for the first edition Scarred Lands fiction Dead God TrilogyForsaken: Book One, Forsworn: Book Two, and Forbidden: Book Three!





Prep is seriously underway for Gen Con 2018 in the first week of August, which takes place in Indianapolis. In addition to our booth presence, be sure to check out the games and panels in the Gen Con Event Schedule.

From Fast Eddy Webb, we have these:

Eddy will be speaking at Broadleaf Writers Conference (September 22-23) in Decatur, GA. He’ll be there to talk about writing for interactive fiction, and hanging out with other writers who have far more illustrious careers. http://broadleafwriters.com/3rd-annual-broadleaf-writers-conference/3rd-annual-broadleaf-writers-conference-speakers/
Eddy will also be a featured guest at Save Against Fear (October 12-14) in Harrisburg, PA. He’ll be running some Pugmire games, be available for autographs, and will sometimes accept free drinks. http://www.thebodhanagroup.org/about-the-convention

If you are going and want to meet up, let us know!



And now, the new project status updates!

DEVELOPMENT STATUS FROM FAST EDDY WEBB (projects in bold have changed status since last week):

First Draft (The first phase of a project that is about the work being done by writers, not dev prep)

  • M20 Book of the Fallen (Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • C20 Novel (Jackie Cassada) (Changeling: the Dreaming 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • M20 The Technocracy Reloaded (Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • M20 Victorian Mage (Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • CofD Dark Eras 2 (Chronicles of Darkness)
  • Trinity Continuum: Aberrant core (Trinity Continuum: Aberrant)
  • Tales of Excellent Cats (Monarchies of Mau)
  • Adventures for Curious Cats (Monarchies of Mau)
  • Scion Companion: Mysteries of the World (Scion 2nd Edition)
  • City of the Towered Tombs (Cavaliers of Mars)
  • Changeling: The Lost 2nd Companion (Changeling: The Lost 2nd)
  • Night Horrors: Nameless and Accursed (Mage: the Awakening Second Edition)
  • Heirs to the Shogunate (Exalted 3rd Edition)
  • Witch-Queen of the Shadowed Citadel (Cavaliers of Mars)



  • Deviant: The Renegades (Deviant: The Renegades)
  • Spilled Blood (Vampire: The Requiem 2nd Edition)
  • Wr20 Book of Oblivion (Wraith: The Oblivion 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • Changeling: The Lost 2nd Jumpstart (Changeling: The Lost 2nd)
  • Lunars: Fangs at the Gate (Exalted 3rd Edition)


Second Draft

  • WoD Ghost Hunters (World of Darkness)
  • Tales of Good Dogs – Pugmire Fiction Anthology (Pugmire)
  • Night Horrors: Shunned by the Moon (Werewolf: The Forsaken 2nd Edition)
  • Dog and Cat Ready Made Characters (Monarchies of Mau)
  • Aeon Aexpansion (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)
  • C20 Players’ Guide (Changeling: the Dreaming 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • In Media Res (Trinity Continuum: Core)



  • Signs of Sorcery (Mage: the Awakening Second Edition)
  • Hunter: the Vigil 2e core (Hunter: the Vigil 2nd Edition)
  • Fetch Quest (Pugmire)
  • CofD Contagion Chronicle (Chronicles of Darkness)
  • Dystopia Rising: Evolution (Dystopia Rising: Evolution)


Manuscript Approval:



  • They Came From Beneath the Sea! Rulebook (TCFBtS!)


Post-Editing Development:

  • Scion: Hero (Scion 2nd Edition)
  • Trinity Continuum Core Rulebook (The Trinity Continuum)
  • Trinity Continuum: Aeon Rulebook (The Trinity Continuum)
  • Ex Novel 2 (Aaron Rosenberg) (Exalted 3rd Edition)
  • Exalted 3rd Novel by Matt Forbeck (Exalted 3rd Edition)
  • GtS Geist 2e core (Geist: the Sin-Eaters Second Edition)
  • M20 Gods and Monsters (Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition)
  • Night Horrors: The Tormented (Promethean: The Created 2nd Edition)
  • Guide to the Night (Vampire: The Requiem 2nd Edition)



  • Monarchies of Mau (Monarchies of Mau)




In Art Direction

  • Ex3 Monthly Stuff
  • Trinity Continuum Workin’ on it… the priority.
  • Geist 2e
  • The Realm
  • M20 Gods and Monsters
  • Ex3 Dragon Blooded – More more sketches coming in.
  • Promethean Night Horrors: The Tormented – Sketches and finals almost all in.
  • VtR – Guide to the Night 
  • Dystopia Rising: Evolution – Eddy’s notes are approved… so getting Mark on fulls and Riley on splats.


Marketing Stuff

  • Posters and Displays


In Layout

  • Fetch Quest Playtest decks uploaded.
  • Scion Hero
  • Cavaliers of Mars Cards



  • Scion Origin Onyx review finishes, comments sent to Neall and OK’d, now being input.
  • Changeling: the Lost 2 – Josh is working on the interior fixing.
  • Cavaliers of Mars Dropping in the Index and sending it over to Rose for a final once over.


At Press

  • V20 Beckett’s Jyhad Diary & Beckett Screen & V20 Dice – KS backer rewards shipping.
  • Scion Dice – At fulfillment shipper.
  • Monarchies of Mau In Indexing.
  • Monarchies of Mau Screen Screen proof this week.
  • Cavaliers of Mars Screen Screen proof this week.
  • Wr20 Guide for Newly Departed – PoD proofs shipping.
  • Gen Con Buttons At press.
  • WoD and CofD reroll cards At press.
  • FQ and PG Gen Con cards At press.
  • Wraith 20 Screen Screen proof this week.
  • GenCon Brochure Printing.
  • Storypath Brochure Files sent to printer.
  • Wraith 20th PoD files uploaded.


TODAY’S REASON TO CELEBRATE: This space needs to stop being for memorials – last week we lost one of the most awarded and prolific speculative fantasy writers, ever: Harlan Ellison died in his sleep at the age of 84. Which is an amazingly inappropriate way for that angry young man to go out. A ruptured aorta while spewing invectives into the venal face of mediocrity, or a fiery bounce-back from a Molotov cocktail, maybe. But in his sleep? Well, you fought the good fight longer than most, Harlan, and you always had a keen eye and ear for irony (and a sailor’s mouth), so go in peace, you who whipped inspiration into so many of us. You earned it.

  35 comments for “2nd Chance for the “Game of Second Chances”[Monday Meeting Notes]

  1. July 2, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    LUNARS IN REDLINES!! Go Robert, go!!

    • Dixie Cochran
      July 2, 2018 at 10:58 pm

      What’s Eric, chopped liver? 😉

      • JetstreamGW
        July 2, 2018 at 11:06 pm

        We didn’t want to tell you. It is his terrible secret.

        • Dixie Cochran
          July 2, 2018 at 11:17 pm

          Wow, he was very articulate during a recent meeting for chopped liver. Go, Eric!

          • July 3, 2018 at 5:51 am

            Hahaha! My apologies! Yes, go Eric as well!

    • Knurlurzhad
      July 3, 2018 at 6:37 am

      *excited screaming*

  2. July 2, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    I have always loved the Geist setting, (just behind Wraith as my favorite), and this warms me that we are getting a redux.

    Excellent news! Happy to support!

    • Dixie Cochran
      July 2, 2018 at 10:59 pm

      Thank you so much! I wasn’t very familiar with 1e when I dove into 2e, but I really, truly fell in love with the setting via 2e, so I hope you like what we’ve done!

  3. perverseness
    July 2, 2018 at 11:04 pm

    May I say it again, I think I will:
    WOOOT!!! Booyah!! WOOT!!!!

    Geist funded like a fourth of July rocket bursting in the heavens. Now we just need to hit so many stretch goals the Line Dev breaks out in a cold sweat!

  4. Iceblade44
    July 2, 2018 at 11:05 pm

    So Danielle is next on the chopping block huh. Tbat will be fun. Hoping to see if we will here anything on Guide to the Night(and maybe spilled nlood).

    So Origin is nearly ready huh. If it’s to much to ask do you guys have any feelings on when we can see it?

  5. Mike
    July 2, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    What’s PoD, precious? Seriously, I’ve never known what that means.

    • Second Chances
      July 2, 2018 at 11:39 pm

      Print on Demand. You order the book, then DTRPG prints off a copy.

    • richt
      July 2, 2018 at 11:39 pm

      Print on Demand. A printing type where each book is printed individually when ordered, vs traditional printing where a whole lot of books are printed at once and have to be stored until they are ordered.

  6. Second Chances
    July 2, 2018 at 11:40 pm

    So I knew some of that tale of Geist, but not all of it. Very interesting, that’s for sharing Rich!

    Also the new section in the Underworld is amazing!

  7. Mike
    July 3, 2018 at 1:58 am

    So…Wraith is available to buy now?

    • tasti man LH
      July 3, 2018 at 2:36 am

      Doesn’t look like quite just yet.

      PoD files for the corebook just got uploaded, and the proofs for Handbook only just got sent out.

      But we do seem to be tantalizingly close.

  8. Arthur B
    July 3, 2018 at 5:19 am

    Re: reasons to drink… well, I guess I will raise a toast to cons becoming substantially safer for women going forwards.

  9. Unnatural-01
    July 3, 2018 at 7:08 am

    Woot! Progress for Hero and Origin!

  10. Carol-Ann
    July 3, 2018 at 7:40 am

    What do you mean by origin bein input?

    Well anyway, I am so excited and impatient to see all the work on it. 😀

    • richt
      July 3, 2018 at 8:19 am

      The comments contained tweaks and changes to the text (mostly) and those changes are being input on the layout files.

  11. Troy
    July 3, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Wow, Geist 2e is already in post-editing development? That’s a great place (from a buyer’s perspective) for a book to be at the beginning of a KS campaign!

    • richt
      July 3, 2018 at 8:23 am

      Our goal, except for very special cases, is to have the text of a book being Kickstarted finished before the KS begins. The further along the better, from finished but undeveloped, to finished but unedited, to edited, to edited and ready for layout, to in layout. If you have followed our KSs over the years, that was not always the case, and we learned the hard way to do things as we are doing them now.

  12. Full Time GM
    July 3, 2018 at 11:22 am

    Very pleased to have Geist 2nd Edition into Kickstarter. Also really enjoying the preview material. I have both an original printing of Sin-Eaters and the 1.1 reprint; they’ve been a popular selection in my cosmopolitan games since they became available and my group completed a full Sin-Eater chronicle not long ago with the agreement to come back to it again when 2nd Edition comes out.
    Thanks for all the work everyone at Onyx Path is putting in for the 2nd Edition.

  13. Bronze Dog
    July 3, 2018 at 2:17 pm

    “Changeling: the Lost 2 – Josh is working on the interior fixing.”

    (Continues to cheer on Josh with his ppm-Poms)

  14. Yiodan
    July 3, 2018 at 2:20 pm

    Congratz on Geist!

  15. Matt
    July 3, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    Wasn’t terribly interested in Geist 1e, but I’m going to give it a shot the 2nd time around. Did the same with Promethean. You guys are really onto something with CofD 2e.

  16. Thomas Fenrir Leonhart
    July 4, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Super excited for Geist!

    I feel like Deviants is like just building a little house in Redlines or something, I’m looking forward to any more information on Deviants so when it leaves redlines this guy right here is going to be ecstatic!
    Great job on everything y’all.

  17. pondrthis
    July 4, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    3:13 pm yesterday: received email announcing Geist 2E KS
    3:20 pm yesterday: became Shadow-tier backer

    Playing two sessions in an aborted Geist 1.1 chronicle was my first exposure to then-nWoD, and I was instantly in love. The feeling of loss after that game’s cancellation was what drove me to ST my own CtL1E game, which ran for over a year, then a WtF2E game with the same folks after we finished the CtL chronicle. Thanks to the inspiration I found in Geist, I’ve made lifelong friends and discovered a passion for tabletop storytelling.

    I think it’s about time I returned to my origin and came face-to-face with the premature death of that chronicle–this time with a krewe I’ve come to trust.

  18. Paul
    July 5, 2018 at 7:47 am

    Congratulations! Geist is a great game.
    Just a small thing, after seeing the launch bundles of Vampire The Masquerade 5th Edition: can you please put as a stretch goal the physical dice set? Thanks!

    • richt
      July 5, 2018 at 10:59 am

      The V5 dice in the Geist Kickstarter?

  19. Tim Flannigan
    July 6, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    Probably a dumb question, but will Scion Origin Ship with Scion Hero for the KS backers?

    • richt
      July 6, 2018 at 9:38 pm

      Not dumb at all. The hardcover books will print and ship together.

  20. The Outlander
    July 7, 2018 at 11:50 am

    Hey Rich, I’ve changed address since I back Wraith. Is there a way to change where the book is heading to?

    • richt
      July 7, 2018 at 12:40 pm

      If you go to the Wraith20 Kickstarter page and go to your pledge, you should be able to change your address survey response. There’s also instruction in the main KS FAQ. Easy peasey!

  21. Atavist
    July 7, 2018 at 11:25 pm

    My computer broke down and I ended up needing dice and deciding to get the Onyx Dice app.

    Looking forward to Forsaken dice 🙂

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